Remi's RPM repository - Blog - Mot-clé - Gnome - CommentairesRemi's RPM repository blog Information about RPM PHP Fedora RHEL and CentOS2024-03-28T14:46:28+01:00Remi Colleturn:md5:04ca934806743f3bda12513f927cafa9DotclearBascule de Gnome vers KDE - ARIKOurn:md5:ce37570a8f799996da563ba61889c6f62013-12-28T18:00:50+00:002013-12-28T18:00:50+00:00ARIKO<p>Bonjour !</p>
<p>Apres avoir testé bon nombre de bureau et autre environnement / OS... ( depuis Geos sur CBM 64 et Workbench Amiga c'est dire...) Linux me convient bien. Je partage aussi les deboires sur Gnome3, quand à Kde, on s'y perd je trouve... en plasmoïde...</p>
<p>Je me suis donc arreté sur MATE 1.6.1 ( F19 ) (Desktop maison) et XFCE sur le petit PC portable ( SP6100 pro Toshiba... ) !</p>
<p>Bien cordialement !</p>
<p>ARIKO</p>Bascule de Gnome vers KDE - gnuluxurn:md5:5c4e88204535cc8006bfc1484d70ef432013-12-28T12:44:53+00:002013-12-28T12:44:53+00:00gnulux<p>pourquoi ne pas tenter un simple gestionnaire graphique dans ce cas-là, type openbox ?</p>Bascule de Gnome vers KDE - SlowBrainurn:md5:9f65ffe70ee14007801dfd645db31b272013-12-28T12:13:46+00:002013-12-28T12:13:46+00:00SlowBrain<p>Si même toi tu arrive a en abandonner gnome …<br />
Effectivement je suis sur que Gnome 3 est un grand incompris, et tu en est effectivement un grand défanseur. Mais je suis sur qu'ils ont perdu beacoup de monde. Peu être un environement trop concus pour les tablette, alors que les utilisateurs de distributions Linux cherchent encore a avoir un véritable bureau.</p>
<p>Pour moi il existe beaucoup de choses autres que Gnome et KDE. XFCE en est un bon exemple, simple et fonctionnel, tu devrais peu être y jeter un œil.</p>Bascule de Gnome vers KDE - Preceaurn:md5:1c7f09e6aa8d7961e7bcb509d26af3a42013-12-27T19:32:34+00:002013-12-27T19:32:34+00:00Precea<p>Salut, personellement j'ai presque toujrous utilisé Gnome sur mon laptop, ou mon ordi de bureau. Le passage du 2 au 3 c'est fait sans trop de problème lors de F16. Je suis assez content je dois avouer, même s'il a des défauts je trouve que la plus part se corrige assez rapidement.</p>
<p>Au niveau des applications, j'utilise grosso modo toujorus les même 10-15 apps, donc elles sont toutes dans mon dock, j'utilise donc très rarement le dashboard avec la liste des applicationq ue je trouve peu pratique.</p>
<p>Pour l'installation de truc, je passe que par Yum, pas par Software (même si avec F20 j'aiessayé trop incomplet et lent).</p>
<p>Après, KDE, j'ai essayé plusieurs fois, j'ai jamais accroché , j'aime pas mon feeling dessus.</p>
<p>Mon utilisation est assez limité de mon environnement de bureau et je lui demande juste d'être minimaliste et simple, un peu comme MacOS et je trouve que gnome3 s'y rapporche pas mal.<br />
Je suis sur 3 écrans la majeur partie de mon temps, et les applications que j'utilise sont Chrome, une console (PAC manager), skype et dbeaver/mysql workbench ainsi qu'un IDE pour dev. Donc rien de propre à une suite graphique ou l'autre. Mon lecteur audio Clémentine.</p>
<p>Par contre, lors du passage de F19->F20, les font furent dégueux, je l'avoue, j'ai enfin réinstallé mon ordi à partir d'un CD de F20 et depuis c'est clean. D'un autre côté, cette workstation à fait F16 beta -> F16 stable -> F17 ->F18 beta -> F18 stable -> F19 beta -> F19 stable -> F20 stable</p>Swicth from Gnome to KDE - Asif Ali Rizvanurn:md5:328ff46df6b59388944a47141e7d6eab2013-12-25T02:09:00+00:002013-12-25T02:09:00+00:00Asif Ali Rizvan<p>> Default fonts are blurred (in F20) so I have to switch to Liberation.</p>
<p>Can't use Tweak tool, freetype bytecode or freetype infinality?</p>
<p>> The application launcher is just too complex, you have to know the exact name. The drop of the category tree presentation was one more mistake.</p>
<p>How? type movies, text, audio, video; and you can use "Software"-> "Installed" tab to know about the installed software.</p>
<p>Like how many apps are installed? you can launch and know about them right? This is how we discover softwares, in windows, android, iphone, kde. Right?</p>
<p>You think categories help? So explain this: what does these will mean to a new</p>
<p>multimedia/kdenlive<br />
multimedia/k3b<br />
multimedia/amarok</p>
<p>graphics/okular<br />
graphics/krita</p>
<p>the above categories makes no sense to a new or unfamiliar user.</p>
<p>> Software is really unusable, for now, to manage applications installation and update (just try toinstall PHP....)</p>
<p>Software is meant for users, not developers. Only apps are supposed to be installed, not libraries, which a normal desktop user won't use. And as a developer, using 'yum' or 'apt' or 'pacman' is difficult? How many times does one need to install and remove php?</p>
<p>> The move of menu options to the global menu (AppMenu) is just unnecessary and not ready as it is not possible to detect if the menu is present or not (during ssh session, for example)</p>
<p>Like how many desktop users use, ssh session?</p>
<p>> Ctrl-Alt-L replaced by Super-L (to please who ?)<br />
eveyone</p>
<p>1. many advanced softwares need too many shortcuts to perfom certain tasks like photoshop, coreldraw, etc. ctrl+alt+L could help there, whereas no software uses Super+L.</p>
<p>2. pressing Super+L is easier for desktop users, as you family members or kids or non-geeky people.</p>Swicth from Gnome to KDE - bochechaurn:md5:a5a28ea5df211379a19ee47bd0bccf7c2013-12-24T21:20:12+00:002013-12-24T21:20:12+00:00bochecha<p>> Example : how do I launch "Software" when I don't know it's named "Software" if I'm not English speaking ?</p>
<p>You're reacting as if it were a design decision, when in fact this is just a bug: the application title has not been translated.</p>
<p>In fact, the application just hasn't been translated to French at all (but it has been translated to other languages).</p>
<p>In addition, desktop files can include keywords which help with the search, but Software doesn't have any.</p>
<p>So you're putting the blame on the wrong group: the problem is not the application launcher, it is a translation/metadata bug on a specific application.</p>Bascule de Gnome vers KDE - xavierurn:md5:eee320d5cb3841ef86622e6812d632582013-12-24T15:24:02+00:002013-12-24T15:24:02+00:00xavier<p>Salut, même parcours que toi, pro-Gnome2, puis totalement à la rue quand le 3 est arrivé :(<br />
J'ai toujours vu kde comme une usine à gaz, mais en 2013 c'est le moins pire de tous.<br />
En fait j'ai l'impression que sur Linux c'est la misère au niveau des environnements graphiques, y'a rien d'aussi aboutit et coérent que gnome2.</p>Swicth from Gnome to KDE - Remiurn:md5:edb235f5f4dd1ba46c039502248fc5802013-12-24T07:49:18+00:002013-12-24T07:50:19+00:00Remi<p>@adam</p>
<p>> "The primary interface with it is and _has always supposed to be_ keyboard search, not looking through the whole list."</p>
<p>This is exactly the problem. Example : how do I launch "Software" when I don't know it's named "Software" if I'm not English speaking ?</p>
<p>Yes, I had to search for it.</p>
<p>> "PHP isn't an application. Software is for installing applications"</p>
<p>Ok. So we have to tell "new" users to use command line (at least to install another Yum GUI). Not user friendly (not a problem for me, I mostly always use command line, but I also do a lot of support for new users).</p>
<p>@Paul</p>
<p>> "Not sure what this means. I ran, for example, gnome-terminal - there
is a normal menu bar and a global menu. You can turn off the global menu
with tweak tool anyway."</p>
<p>Try "ssh -X someuser@somehost gedit", and the try to access preferences. See <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/982620" rel="ugc nofollow">RHBZ #982620</a></p>Swicth from Gnome to KDE - Adam Williamsonurn:md5:d7cc659d1c65b9483c9cc6564f3546362013-12-24T06:53:03+00:002013-12-24T06:53:03+00:00Adam Williamson<p>"The application launcher is just too complex, you have to know the exact name."</p>
<p>The primary interface with it is and _has always supposed to be_ keyboard search, not looking through the whole list. The search finds things based not just on the displayed title but on most of the metadata in the .desktop file, including description and categories; if I type 'burn', for instance, the results are Brasero and K3B, which seems sensible. I don't think I've actually _ever_ run an app by clicking through the menus except for test purposes. Press Start, and type. That's how it works.</p>
<p>"Software is really unusable, for now, to manage applications installation and update (just try toinstall PHP....)"</p>
<p>PHP isn't an application. Software is for installing applications, not web frameworks. There are other projects aiming to be GUI wrappers around yum, Software isn't one. If what you want is a GUI yum wrapper, use something else...</p>
<p>"Ctrl-Alt-L replaced by Super-L (to please who ?)"</p>
<p>AIUI they moved a lot of shortcuts to use Super instead of ctrl/alt because there tend to be lots of collisions with apps on the older modifier keys.</p>
<p>For Jens: there's a bug for that. <a href="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688434" title="https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688434" rel="ugc nofollow">https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug...</a></p>Swicth from Gnome to KDE - cow4444urn:md5:7555112cb69b761cf3b44d3932c2ccd52013-12-24T05:39:10+00:002013-12-24T05:39:10+00:00cow4444<p>I never quite figured out what happened to Gnome. When I installed Fedora 18, I could no longer find an iso image containing Gnome. So now I use KDE. It was a bit difficult to learn by it works very well and I have installed it on a Lenovo laptop with an SSD drive and the system run superb.</p>Swicth from Gnome to KDE - eldergabrielurn:md5:f5cf2735cb29dcbdd631ac3121e8dd6a2013-12-24T00:17:07+00:002013-12-24T00:17:07+00:00eldergabriel<p>"The application launcher is just too complex, you have to know the exact name. The drop of the category tree presentation was one more mistake." Amen, mon frère. I started looking for a gnome shell extension to restore this to its former glory, with no success as of yet. Also, I always liked the default "flat" list of all available apps in gnome shell's applications overview, and felt that it was a superior interface, compared to unity, primarily for that reason. Now one has to drill down into an application category to discover what you're trying to run. Submenus, anyone?</p>
<p>"Ctrl-Alt-L replaced by Super-L (to please who ?)". Probably the same dude who changed the alt-click-drag-anywhere-on-the-window-frame-to-move-it to super-click-drag-anywhere-on-the-window-frame-to-move-it. Because the super key is just über alt, don't you know. In their defense, it does make it more mac-like, if one considers that a good thing.</p>
<p>Lately, it does just feel too much like change simply for the sake of change, and gnome users are not being listened to.</p>Swicth from Gnome to KDE - Paulurn:md5:0ce235835c0b1a2b267019e7f0fc20c02013-12-23T22:35:41+00:002013-12-23T22:35:41+00:00Paul<p>I thought the same as you when Gnome 3.x first came out. Frankly speaking, II hated it. I promptly loaded gnome tweak tool and put back my desktop icons, maximise and.minimise buttons, shortcuts how I liked them and extensions for this, that and the other. Basically I did my very best to turn it back into Gnome 2.x.</p>
<p>But thinking about it in my rage - how dare they change MY desktop - my only real objection was that it was different. A learning curve had been forced upon me and I had a choice. Stick with it and reap the supposed benefits or switch to an environment that behaved like the old one by default, never to return.</p>
<p>I chose to stick with it. Over time, I've turned off my tweaks until I have a nearly default install and, you know what, I totally love this Gnome 3 thing!</p>
<p>The only tweaks I have turned on now are the clock with date+seconds and "normal" (old fashioned?) alt+tabbing. They'll pry my clock with date and seconds from my cold, dead hands but alt+tabbing - maybe some day they'll convince me their way is superior - but it doesn't work for me. Thankfully I can change the default.</p>
<p>Out of the 100's of things they've changed - I now only care about those three. The rest I like - e.g. the handling of notifications, the top bar with its simple interface (especially the latest release in F20) and generally the superb unobtrusiveness of it all by focusing on what matters - the application. I'm here, after all, to work in applications.</p>
<p>So I'd urge you - don't give up. I'd wager a £5 that this great piece of engineering that is Gnome 3 will grow on you as it did on me. :-)</p>
<p>Specifically to your points:</p>
<p>"Default fonts are blurred (in F20) so I have to switch to Liberation."</p>
<p>So you fixed it! Great!</p>
<p>"The application launcher is just too complex, you have to know the exact name."</p>
<p>a) "refo" in the search brings up "firefox".<br />
b) Select the dots from the bar on the left to get a list of all apps.<br />
c) Extensions can re-add categories, etc, if you really want it. But seriously?</p>
<p>"Software is really unusable, for now, to manage applications installation and update (just try toinstall PHP....)"</p>
<p>I've never used a GUI for that since Redhat 5. Use terminal + yum. I'm not sure if the Gnome Software app is meant for doing system level stuff like PHP interpreters anyway?</p>
<p>"The move of menu options to the global menu (AppMenu) is just unnecessary and not ready as it is not possible to detect if the menu is present or not (during ssh session, for example)"</p>
<p>Not sure what this means. I ran, for example, gnome-terminal - there is a normal menu bar and a global menu. You can turn off the global menu with tweak tool anyway.</p>
<p>"Ctrl-Alt-L replaced by Super-L (to please who ?)"</p>
<p>Windows boxes use that shortcut by default. I got annoyed with that change for about 5 seconds until I tried Super+L and now I just use that. On the plus side - it's one less key to find. If it really bothers you though, define it how you like here: Settings -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts -> System -> Lock Screen</p>
<p>Merci!</p>Swicth from Gnome to KDE - jensurn:md5:9daa110e14f3bbedd3a8be3a4e9f981f2013-12-23T21:23:45+00:002013-12-23T21:23:45+00:00jens<p>Gnome shell really has the potential to be awesome, but there are a number of rough edges that makes daily use a pain for me.<br />
<br />
The most serious problem as you pointed out is the lack of a structured way to browse and discovering applications.</p>
<p>Here are my additions to the list in a desperate attempt to reach the Gnome devs:</p>
<p>* The modal password dialog makes it hard to use strong passwords stored in a password manager. That makes Google two factor authentication unusable. If the dialog need to be modal, atleast provide an API to integrate with password managers.</p>
<p>* The message tray. It looks good on the paper, but is totally unpractical. Why would you want to access your chat conversations in two inconsistent ways?<br />
Basically I have to learn two UIs for chat, because the message tray chat can't send files etc so you need to switch workflow all of the time. Just get rid of it please!</p>
<p>* You can't select a web based e-mail or calendar service as default mail application without some hacking.</p>
<p>* Please hide some useless applications from the menu. For example java and selinux settings. That kind of stuff should just work without any tweaking. No need to clutter the menu.</p>
<p>Merry Christmas!</p>Swicth from Gnome to KDE - Peterurn:md5:f785fcf5317774d0641c7cc94f61c79c2013-12-23T19:16:36+00:002013-12-23T19:16:36+00:00Peter<p>I'm no specialist, but I agree with you on most of the things.<br />
To your 2nd argument: There is an easy fix for that: Use the tweak tool and install an application menu extension.<br />
5th: one key less, all system wide operations with super key?!</p>Bascule de Gnome vers KDE - llaumguiurn:md5:c289f6259117512167e21d83f749b8b12013-12-23T17:15:42+00:002013-12-23T17:15:42+00:00llaumgui<p>Après je pense que si tu restes sur un GNOME out of the box, c'est pas beau. Si tu le tunes alors c'est nickel.</p>
<p>Perso je ne comprend pas que la team graph de Fedora ne bosse pas sur une version plus sexy de GNOME par défaut.</p>Bascule de Gnome vers KDE - Knah Tsaeburn:md5:19eb6380ddd7c1eb7bf5e3e7504da8cb2013-12-23T13:16:37+00:002013-12-23T13:16:37+00:00Knah Tsaeb<p>Je suis un peu comme toi, j'ai toujours aimé Gnome, enfin jusqu'à la version 3 ou j'ai clairement été déçu. Pour moi la pire des choses c'est quand même Nautilus/Fichier qui s’appauvri de version en version.</p>
<p>Mais je suis vraiment allergique à KDE, le pire c'est que je ne sais pas pourquoi, aucun filling avec cet environnement.</p>
<p>Tous ça pour dire que j'ai choisi d'utilisé Cinnamon + Nemo et que j'en suis très content. Simple comme Gnome mais sans les défauts, conservation du menu d'application, Nemo, stable, jolie, réactif, personnalisable, compatible Gnome (GTK)...</p>
<p>Je ne suis pas sous Fedora, mais je suppose que le projet y est porté.</p>
<p>@Paul Martin<br />
XFCE est un bon environnement c'est vrai.</p>Bascule de Gnome vers KDE - Pascal MARTINurn:md5:041f966272e8145c28f75ca5c48137c12013-12-23T12:51:46+00:002013-12-23T12:51:46+00:00Pascal MARTIN<p>J'ai toujours été sous KDE (sous mandriva, puis sous fedora, avant de passer il y maintenant fort longtemps à debian puis kubuntu -- et un peu en train de revenir à du debian), n'accrochant pas tellement à gnome (et encore moins aux trucs "modernes" que fournit maintenant ubuntu par défaut).</p>
<p>Mais je suis depuis quelques temps en train de petit à petit me demander si je ne vais pas basculer sous quelque chose de plus "simple", peut-être moins "joli", mais tout autant fonctionnel -- considérant que je n'ai jamais vraiment utilisé les "nouveautés" du style effets 3D ou exposé, que j'utilise toujours les même 10 ou 15 applications (je n'utilise quasiment pas les menus : je lance ces applis au démarrage de la machine, et elles restent lancées pendant des semaines -- merci la mise en veille), et qu'elles ne sont globalement ni "kde" ni "gnome".<br />
Pour la durée des congés de Noël, j'ai basculé mon laptop sous xfce, et après un petit peu de paramétrage, ça répond plutôt bien à mon besoin.</p>
<p>J'en suis au point où je me demande si mon PC de bureau (je devrais avoir une nouvelle machine en début d'année, donc je suis de toute manière bon pour une réinstallation) ne va pas suivre cette bascule, en même temps que quitter (k)ubuntu pour revenir à du debian "de base".</p>